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Old Christian saints and modern messianics agree: Jews suffered terribly for rejecting Jesus

February 25, 2015

JewsKilledJesusSign“One Law” messianic was arguing to me that Jews have suffered so much because they made a terrible, huge mistake – they rejected Jesus as their messiah and god:

[When] Messiah returns, Jews will weep as one weeps for an only son (Zech 12). As hard as it may be you to believe, Gene, Jews and Judaism have also committed errors, perhaps the greatest being the rejection of the real messiah and subsequent embracing of a false messiah. Both have had disastrous consequences.

This messianic’s argument is not new at all. In fact, it’s very familiar to the Jewish people, who have heard it all before. It is, of course, found in the New Testament. But it has also been inherited from the so called Christian “saints”, who likewise argued that Jews have suffered so much because they rejected, indeed conspired to murder G-d in the form of Jesus, “G-d’s son”:

“Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Saviour, for through their fathers they have killed Christ.” [St Augustine]

“The Jews, therefore, not only made themselves strangers to the covenants, but also dishonoured the Father and killed the Son in envy.” [St Ephraim the Syrian]

“The Jews are murderers of the Lord …. They are guilty of shouting: ‘Away with him, away with him! Crucify him!’ He who was God in the flesh!” [St Gregory of Nyssa: Oration on the Resurrection of Christ]

“Nor is it sufficient that we call Him who is in Heaven ‘Father.’ We must add to the name ‘Our Father.’ This name rebukes and condemns the Jews who not only spurned Christ faithlessly, but also cruelly executed Him Who was announced to them by the prophets, and sent first to their nation.  No longer may they call God their Father, because the Lord confounds and refutes them, saying: ‘your father is the devil’ [John 8:44].  O sinful nation, O people weighed down with guilt, breed of evil-doers, lawless children, you have turned your backs on the Lord and have provoked the Holy One of Israel.” [St Cyprian: On The Lord’s Prayer]

“If someone should kill the beloved son of a man, and then stretch forth their hands still stained with blood to the afflicted father, asking for fellowship, would not the blood of his son, still visible on the hand of his murderer, provoke him to just anger instead?  And such are the prayers of the Jews, for when they stretch forth their hands in prayer, they only remind God the Father of their sin against His Son. And at every stretching forth of their hands, they only make it obvious that they are stained with the blood of Christ.”
[St Basil: On Prayer, Sermon Nine]

“…. from that time seditions and wars and mischievous plots followed each other in quick succession, and never ceased in the city and in all Judea until finally the siege of Vespasian overwhelmed them. Thus the divine vengeance overtook the Jews for the crimes which they dared to commit against Christ.”
[Eusebius of Caesarea, Church History: Book II, Chapter 6]

My own brief thoughts on the validity of these “arguments”, either from the messianics or the “Christian saints” of old, are as follows:

When the true Messiah comes it will not be a day of mourning for Jews – it will be a day of great rejoicing for Jews. We have waited patiently for G-d and we have suffered for centuries for His sake at the hands of the very people who worshiped Jesus as god. We, as a nation, have not bowed our knee to idols for thousands of years since Babylonian exile has ended. We have not traded our G-d for another, either under threat of torture or death or through wonderful promises of great blessings. Christians who point to the supposed collective Jewish guilt and sin against Jesus are like those “friends” of Job – “surely Jews must have been punished so terribly with Holocaust and all the bloodshed at the hands of their enemies for something horrible they did – they rejected Jesus”. But G-d has rebuked Job’s friends and I believe that He will rebuke these modern “friends” of Jews too. Like Job, we too will pray for our former unjust accusers when they repent.

The future reality will be quite different than either the ancient Christians or the modern messianics imagined. Jews will not mourn their rejection of Jesus. There will be gladness and joy in every Jewish house. However, for those who have placed their faith in dead idols (including Jesus, the dead man-god who accomplished nothing, like the other false gods, but with which people diverted worship from G-d to futile things), for all the false witnesses and accusers who accused G-d’s people of deicide and persecuted them without mercy in the name of Jesus, either in deed or in word, it will indeed be a day of mourning. That day will be a day of great shame and a day of regret for the time wasted chasing after nothingness and bowing to a non-god that doesn’t save. The idolaters and all Jew-haters will come licking the dust at the feet of the people of Israel in shame and repentance.

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15 Comments leave one →
  1. remi4321 permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:25 pm

    I could imagine Jesus asking to a Jewish person “Why did you reject me, the only way of salvation and god in the flesh?” And they will answer “Because G-d’s word said so! He is one and we should not be deceived! Would that be fair for someone that fear the G-d of Israel to be sent in Hell because they refuses to believe in Jesus when their own scriptures say they should not believe in him? All in all, that’s the main reason why Xtianity does not make sense…

  2. February 25, 2015 1:34 pm

    Yep, we suffered for rejecting him. But we also suffered for rejecting Mohammed. That just means both Chrisians and Muslims are vengeful SOB’s who throw major tantrums when they don’t get their way.

  3. February 25, 2015 1:38 pm

    @remi4321

    Jesus: “Why did you reject me, the only way of salvation and god in the flesh?”
    Jews: “Because G-d’s word said so! He is one and we should not be deceived! ”
    Jesus: “Oh, you have a point, hmmm….. So, you didn’t want to worship me as if I was god? I didn’t think about that… Peter, let them in.”

  4. remi4321 permalink
    February 25, 2015 1:40 pm

    Gene, Now you know, you have your ticket :)

  5. February 25, 2015 1:42 pm

    @Garnel Ironheart

    “But we also suffered for rejecting Mohammed.”

    When in comes to “Jewish obstinacy”, many of the Islamic arguments are quite similar to the Christian ones. (I imagine Muslims got them from Christians, since Jesus figures so prominently in the Quran, where he is mentioned more times than even Mohammed!). Often the arguments overlap, since Muslims also blame Jews for rejecting Jesus (their “second to last prophet”).

  6. February 25, 2015 2:49 pm

    Yet, today, true Christians love Jews, and stand against anti-Semitism. :)

  7. February 25, 2015 2:55 pm

    “chrisaomministries”

    “Yet, today, true Christians love Jews, and stand against anti-Semitism. :)”

    Welcome to my blog. I have a few questions, if you don’t mind answering:

    What is a “true Christian”? Was Martin Luther the founder of Protestantism (and all movements that are its descendants, including “messianic Judaism”) a “true Christian”? Do “true Christians” believe that Jews who love and serve the G-d of Israel but who knowingly (not “ignorantly”) refuse to worship Jesus the mangod as god will end up in hell should they die not having bowed their knees to him? Please answer as honestly as possible.

  8. Concerned Reader permalink
    February 25, 2015 3:18 pm

    Yet, today, true Christians love Jews, and stand against anti-Semitism. :)

    The problem with the “true christian” epithet, is that every historic sect of christianity thinks that this epithet belongs exclusively to them, no offense meant. The Eastern Orthodox say it’s them, Catholics say it’s them, Lutherans say it’s them, baptists say it’s them, Mormons say it’s them, etc. Christians always say “the true christians love and do good and don’t hurt anyone,” but this inadvertently allows christians to explain away the heinous actions done in Christian history. True Christians have killed heretics in the name of Jesus, just as false ones have. The epithet “true Christian” is meaningless, unless it means to you that a non baptized individual might be loved by G-d.

  9. February 25, 2015 3:20 pm

    CR, wow, powerful statement!

  10. February 25, 2015 4:22 pm

    Gene

    I’m not that informed about the various denominations of messianics….What on earth is “one law” messianic ‘Judaism’? In respect of the comment directed at you, I was wondering exactly who the “subsequent embracing of a false messiah” was because as far as I’m aware Messiah hasn’t come yet and I’m unaware that any of us as a community of Jews have embraced such an individual. Did the person who you were debating elaborate on that point? Also the “disastrous consequences”… so if Christians can’t convert us we have to be threatened. The more things change the more they stay the same it seems…

  11. February 25, 2015 4:44 pm

    “What on earth is “one law” messianic ‘Judaism’?”

    Sam – those are Gentile Christians who believe that the Torah of Moses and the Mosaic Covenant applies to Gentiles and Jews equally. As they interpret it. So some of them wear tzitzit, eat “biblical kosher” (which apparently means avoiding pork and shellfish, irrespective of kashrut authority or none at all), and some don’t go to work on Shabbat (but do pretty much everything else).

    ” I’m unaware that any of us as a community of Jews have embraced such an individual.”

    Me neither. But he was trying to make a point that “Jews embraced the false messiah” – he didn’t worry about the details, e.g. that Jews rejected any false messiah as soon as he was proven to be false (e.g. by failing to deliver.)

    “Also the “disastrous consequences”… so if Christians can’t convert us we have to be threatened.”

    Yes, “disastrous consequences” for rejecting Jesus apparently do include being murdered and persecuted by Christians too.

  12. February 26, 2015 8:25 am

    Gene

    Thanks for the information on the one law matter: seems bizarre given the 7 laws of Noah or even Christianity, which -and I did ask a few Christian friends- they follow what they call the moral laws, the ten commandments plus the sexual ethics of Leviticus, I think was the common consensus, but not the ceremonial laws, which also includes keeping the Sabbath, kosher et al ( e.g. church of England article VII)….

    Also after thinking about this overnight, I should’ve added a qualifier in so much as it’s difficult to generalise about a faith of several billion people. I do appreciate there are different views within Christianity, with some taking the task of converting Jews and the world more zealously than others and many sincerely wish to reconcile with Jews for past antisemitism. But then it would help if Christians knew a bit more about the historical background of Jewish-Christian relations, this being one of frequent scapegoating, persecution.I honestly think that the Christian layman simply doesn’t know (okay some might gloss over or even justify) what happened to Jews in the crusades or about the frequent expulsions, not fully understanding the role of the inquisition, pogroms etc: perhaps there might be less intellectual belligerence or more humility.

    But then if we don’t have evangelicals/messiancs trying to convert us -even as they support Israel- at the other extreme, liberal Christianity leaves us alone in terms of evangelism-even as they have adopted the Palestinian narrative towards Israel and call for boycotts etc. If only Christians, of whatever denomination, would leave us to Judaism alone and also support Israel and help her flourish in the community of nations.

  13. February 26, 2015 9:28 am

    “I do appreciate there are different views within Christianity, with some taking the task of converting Jews and the world more zealously than others and many sincerely wish to reconcile with Jews for past antisemitism.”

    Sam, absolutely. My blog is more narrow in focus – Jews who have embraced “Messianic Judaism”.

    “I honestly think that the Christian layman simply doesn’t know…”

    That has been my experience as well. But it’s good to educate them about the past as it really happened.

    “If only Christians, of whatever denomination, would leave us to Judaism alone and also support Israel and help her flourish in the community of nations.”

    For Messianic Judaism that’s just not going to happen – they are Evangelical in their outlook (spreading the good news) and wish that all Jews joined their messianic “synagogues”. I was reading an Israeli messianic magazine some time ago and in it the writer expressed a dream of his that all of the Orthodox synagogues and yeshivas in Israel would be emptied out one day and when rabbis come looking for their congregants, they would find them all learning about and worshiping Jesus in a messianic congregation.

  14. Concerned Reader permalink
    February 26, 2015 6:41 pm

    It’s the same mistake made with the brass serpent isn’t it Gene? They say, “your not a good Jew….unless. They focus on commentary fluff, but not the breathing relevance of the commandments for the Jewish people.

  15. February 26, 2015 10:22 pm

    CR, you are right. To obey (G-d’s Torah) is better than sacrifice (of Jesus).

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