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Was Jesus a prophet like Moses?

January 10, 2014
MosesIn this post I would like to dissect the claim made by Christianity that Jesus was somehow a prophet like Moses and even greater than Moses in both character and deeds.
  1. Moses was born to normal human parents, while Jesus was born to a virgin who was made pregnant by G-d while betrothed to a man. That’s very unlike Moses, a mortal human being who had to overcome his weaknesses to submit himself to G-d, and was not a “100% G-d and 100% man” sinless superman capable of amazing feats. While Jesus also called himself a prophet (Luke 4:24), in the Hebrew Bible G-d always used normal, often flawed human beings to be prophets to His people. G-d never acted as His own prophet and servant to Himself. Being G-d in the flesh, Jesus was not a prophet like Moses.
  2. Throughout the Torah, we have G-d constantly speaking to Moses, including “face to face” (meaning, intimately) as a friend (Exodus 33:11). We have G-d’s own words recorded which were spoken to Moses. What’s more, all of the people, all of the Israelites and the Gentiles who left Egypt alongside them, all heard G-d’s voice from the mountain. Does Jesus match this? Even though Jesus is called “Son of G-d” in the NT, and not just a friend like Moses was, the only thing we have from G-d saying to Jesus in the gospels are a few affirmations of Jesus’ quasi-divine status.  G-d supposedly said “This is my Son, listen to him”. That’s it! No conversations between Jesus and G-d, no face-to-face talks.
  3. In the Torah, G-d did amazing things through Moses before ALL of Israel and as I already noted, the whole of Israel heard G-d’s mighty voice. Again, all of Israel, both good, bad and indifferent, saints and sinners, all of them witnessed G-d’s approval of Moses’ authority confirmed time and time again. There was no doubt that G-d was with Moses – and when the people rebelled against G-d and Moses in spite of all that evidence, G-d again confirmed and reconfirmed Moses in the sight of all the people. All of them ate manna from heaven and all of them crossed the sea on a dry seabed. When G-d did miracles through Moses, everyone for miles and miles around him was an eyewitness. Jesus, on the other hand, was known only to a few, heard and seen by only a few, and even a smaller number of people witnessed any healing miracles he is said to have performed. Yet, the whole of Israel was accused of “unbelief in Jesus”. In the New Testament (as opposed to the Hebrew Bible),  the “unbelief in Jesus” displaced idolatry as the greatest possible sin against G-d.
  4. When Moses was around, all of the Jewish people were gathered around him together. On the other hand, during the first century CE, only a small percentage of Jews actually lived in the Land of Israel. The rest, the majority of Jews lived elsewhere, throughout the Roman empire, in Babylon and other regions of the world. The Diaspora Jewry far outnumbered Jews living in the Land. The Jerusalem Temple leadership were puppets selected and controlled by Rome and were hardly representative of the Jewish people. Nonetheless, the New Testament authors and the religion which used their work blamed all of Israel for rejecting Jesus as a nation.
  5. After his resurrection, for some mysterious reason, Jesus seems to have chosen to only appear to those few who actually promoted the veneration of him to others (including Paul, who never met Jesus, except in a vision nor ever quoted his teachings in his own writings). Unlike Moses, who was known as a prophet of G-d to all Israelites, it appears that only a tiny number of Jews living in Palestine knew of Jesus directly. No contemporary accounts of him have ever been found. Jewish philosopher Philo, Jesus’ contemporary who wrote extensively about Judaism of the day,  is completely silent about Jesus. Unlike Moses, Jesus recorded no words of his own for people to read. People were simply asked to trust his inner circle retell stories about Jesus.
  6. Did Jesus give any new laws, a new Torah? No, unless you count the following statement: “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (John 13:34-35). Well, how did Jesus love them? If one says that he died for them, well Jesus said this command before he died. Moses, on the other hand, was willing to forfeit not only his temporal life like Jesus was willing, suffering pain only for a few hours (much less than others who were crucified), after which he fully expected to be resurrected in a state better than his previous one in a matter of only a few days (and even predicting that!). No, Moses was willing to take a far bigger risk, a mere human decided to confront G-d Himself and request to be blotted out of G-d’s Book of Life for the sake of his brothers, the people of Israel: “But now, please forgive their sin–but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.” (Exodus 32:32) Now, that’s love!
  7.  G-d gave though Moses instructions for Israel, telling them how to test whether a prophet is from G-d. If the things a prophet foretells do not come to pass, that prophet is false and to be rejected. Jesus, on the other hand, has made blatant false prophecies regarding his own return within the lifetime of his disciples and thus failed the prophet test which G-d gave through Moses to Israel.
  8. And finally, while Christianity elevates Jesus to divine status equal to G-d and worships Jesus as a deity, Moses would have been absolutely appalled and grief-stricken if anyone had even attempted to worship him (or any other creature or thing) instead of the G-d who sent him.
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  1. benicho permalink
    January 10, 2014 2:10 pm

    haha well you’ve become quite militant in no time at all.

  2. January 10, 2014 2:21 pm

    Benicho, “militant” – hardly. Smashing idols and pulling down high-places – yes. Idolatry is the most detestable thing to G-d, it’s a betrayal. (And certainly, it’s nothing funny.) Once you realize this, and realize that you have devoted over a decade of your life to serving and worshiping an idol as well as promoting idolatry, come back and tell me how you feel about it then.

    The Hebrew Bible nowhere condemns unbelief in a messiah, but it does condemn idolatry and worship of someone or something other than G-d in the strongest terms (indeed, one could probably describe the words the Bible uses as “militant”). My purpose behind this blog is not to vent personal anger (and nowhere do I do this) but rather constructive and logical. It’s two-fold: 1) to help my fellow Jews who, mistakenly, through Jesus-worship, have embraced a god other than the G-d of Israel and because of this sin have cut themselves and their descendants off from Israel just as G-d has warned over and over, 2) to show seeking Gentiles that the Jewish people to whom G-d has entrusted his Torah and through whom He speaks to the world were obedient when they rejected a human being as their G-d.

  3. January 10, 2014 3:07 pm

    I’m saddened to see you descend to leveling ill founded accusations recklessly, Gene.

    ‘Blatant false prophecies regarding his own return within the lifetime of his disciples’
    Don’t you know γενεα may be translated generation also is used for a race or lineage? This expression makes much better sense of the passages you seem to be alluding to. It would be curious if the Messiah did expect to return so soon to allude the fourth watch of the night, the bridesmaids falling to sleep, widespread apostasy and coldness in the churches, and the end of the times of the Gentiles.
    These descriptions are much more applicable to now.

    As to the question of idolatry perhaps you should examine the cupboard of rabbinic Judaism more carefully, for there are beams and motes in many eyes, not just professing Christian ones alone.

  4. January 10, 2014 3:19 pm

    “Don’t you know γενεα may be translated generation also is used for a race or lineage?”

    Charles, can you please give us an example of contemporary Greek writings where γενεα was clearly rendered as “race” or “lineage” in the context?

    “As to the question of idolatry perhaps you should examine the cupboard of rabbinic Judaism more carefully, for there are beams and motes in many eyes, not just professing Christian ones alone.”

    Charles, as I told another commenter, you are not going to prove that Jesus is not an idol by showing off either real or imagined faults of the Jewish people. I don’t need you to point out that Jews are not perfect, or what horrible thing this or that rabbi supposedly said (whose words are usually twisted by antisemites). Jews are human beings. I can open my Bible and read that some of my ancestors worshiped Baal and sacrificed their children to him. But unlike them, I don’t worship Baal (which means “Lord”) and I don’t worship Jesus (also another “Lord”).

  5. January 10, 2014 4:03 pm

    “Don’t you know γενεα may be translated generation also is used for a race or lineage?”

    Charles, so, when Jesus said the following in Luke 11:29 “As the crowds increased, Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.”, by “generation” he was referring to Jews as a (wicked) race, right?

    If he did not mean Jewish “race” here and Jesus only meant “this particular generation at the present time”, where else in the New Testament is the word “γενεα” is used in the way that you suggested, e.g. as “a race” or “Jews”? I am trying to see if there’s a consistency in the NT texts to make your suggestion plausible.

  6. religionmatahari permalink
    January 10, 2014 10:06 pm

    Moses said: “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. ..” (Deutronomy 18:15-18) – King James Version.

    Interestingly, in the New International Version, the translation has been changed to: “…a Prophet like me from among the Israelites; lest people think that Moses was referring to the Prophet Muhammad (who was more Moses-like than Jesus…)
    God knows best :)

  7. January 11, 2014 6:36 pm

    religionmatahari, G-d indeed knows best. However, when G-d sends his prophets to Israel, they are indeed Israelites and their brethren (as the Torah says) who speak the same language, or, as may be in the case of prophet Obadiah, Jews through conversion to Judaism.

    However, Muslims do indeed consider Jesus to be the last great prophet sent to Israel with a new message, the Gospel (with Muhammed not being sent to Jews specifically, but to everyone), believe that he was miraculously conceived by virgin Mary, believe that Jesus was sinless, that he performed miracles and will return in glory as Messiah to defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal (anti-Messiah). Muslims are required to believe in Jesus. Did I miss anything?

    Basically, Christianity and Islam agree on Jesus in almost everything except that he’s god in the flesh or that he was crucified (which Muslims hold was only an illusion).

  8. religionmatahari permalink
    January 11, 2014 10:24 pm

    Gene. You are right: the statement “from your brethren” ‘can be’ a reference to the Israelites, but not necessarily. ‘Your brethren’ can as well refer to the Arabs, who are the brethren of Israelites, since Ishmael was Isaac’s brother. Also, that when Jacob blessed his son Judah, to him he said:

    “The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
    Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
    Until Shiloh comes”

    Which indicates that the Shiloh is not from from the house of Judah [Jesus was]

    Muslims consider Jesus to be a true Prophet of God, however they do not consider Jesus to be divine, and this is where Muslims differ from Christians. However, when Moses said ‘a prophet like me’, it is more likely that he was referring to the Prophet Muhammad, and not to Jesus: Like Moses, Muhammad had two human parents. Like Moses, he married. Like Moses, he and his companions migrated. Like Moses, he brought a sacred law which encompassed all of human life. Like Moses, he died. Like Moses, he is revered by his followers as a prophet and as a human.

    All these followed by a GOD knows best.

  9. January 11, 2014 10:35 pm

    religionmatahari, at least we agree on Jesus being no Moses!

  10. January 12, 2014 8:50 am

    Where do you get it from that Jesus was “Being G-d in the flesh” Jesus was a man of flesh and blood who could be seen without the people who saw him dying straight ahead, could be tempted, could sin, could die, all things God could not. This God Who could not tell lies also said that the man the world today calls Jesus Christ, was/is His beloved son.

    “16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him; 17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16-17 ASV)

  11. January 12, 2014 9:09 am

    “Where do you get it from that Jesus was “Being G-d in the flesh” Jesus was a man of flesh and blood who could be seen without the people who saw him dying straight ahead, could be tempted, could sin, could die, all things God could not. ”

    Do you see me claim that Christianity’s ideas about Jesus being G-d make sense? What version of Christianity do you represent?

  12. January 12, 2014 9:20 am

    We represent followers of Christ, who want to keep to the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Messiah who is the “Son of God” and not god the son. => we are non-trinitarian Christians.

  13. January 12, 2014 9:24 am

    Let me ask you this then, my non-trinitarian Christian friend – do you believe that G-d has decided to share His own glory with man Jesus?

  14. January 12, 2014 9:33 am

    God accepted the offering of His son Jeshua (Jesus). By his action Jesus proofed to the adversaries of God (satan) that a human being can voluntary keep to God His commandments. God Who had promised He would take care salvation would come over man, keeps His promises and accepted Jesus his offering as a lamb. God also made Jesus higher than he was before (lower than angels) and placed him at his right hand to become a mediator between God and man. But God was, will be and always shall be the Most High. God His glory shall always be able to shine over the world by Christ, by the People of God (Israel = Jews) and by the followers of Christ.

  15. January 12, 2014 10:20 am

    BB, it doesn’t appear that you quite answered my direct question – did G-d share at least a measure of His own glory with man Jesus? You seem, however, to answer this question on your blog, in one of the articles, where you wrote “The ‘Glory’ Christ Jesus got is the sign of what he is worth.” and in the same article, “Jehovah, God, was asked by Jesus to glorify him with His very own splendour. ”

    However, a Jewish person (like me) will come along and charge you with blasphemy against the Most High G-d, who declared the following to the Jewish people in His own Word, written long before the Greek New Testament was penned by its authors:

    I am the L-RD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols. (Isaiah 42:8)

    For a Jew, to believe and to proclaim that G-d has shared His own glory with another, a mortal human being, especially one who is considered or worshiped as “god in the flesh” by billions as Jesus certainly is (a fact that you, being anti-trinitarian, know full well), is a grave affront to G-d. Do you see my point?

  16. January 12, 2014 11:17 pm

    Mike, you are assuming that it’s paramount for a Jew to be able to recognize exactly who the Messiah will be. Such thinking has caused many problems because of the wannabe messiahs throughout history and to this day

    Gene, for someone who has said that it’s not important for a Jew to be able to recognize exactly who the Messiah will be, you sure seem to have quite a list of literal requirements including point 1 above, that the Messiah must be from David’s lineage…If your recall, Mike’s point was:

    Gene, while you point out some difficulties with the genealogies of Yeshua, you end up proving too much because if Yeshua cannot be proved to be a descendant of David, no future Messiah will be able to prove Davidic lineage

    To which you said the above (first quote).

    So now, you contradict yourself by saying that it is indeed, in fact, important to be able to tell that Messiah is from David’s House. This is self evident by virtue of the fact that you argue against Jesus’ lineage in the prior post.

    To boot, Rambam gave you a list of requirements to recognize exactly who the Messiah will be. And by the allegorical thinking that you have applied to Zech 9:9 and Daniel 7, one can see how Jesus fulfilled each one of those:

    Allegorically, Jesus

    1. Is from the House of David through Joseph.

    2. Fought death and Satan, G-d’s 2 greatest enemies and won.

    3. Rebuilt the temple (his body) “destroy this Temple, and in 3 days I will raise it up”

    4. Repaired the world in that the power of sin is broken and that whoever believes in the Son is now a new creation, the kingdom of G-d has broken forth.

  17. January 13, 2014 7:29 am

    I’ll wait for the real messiah who actually fulfills messianic requirements over an allegorical demigod who merely allegorically qualifies or allegorically accomplishes anything (yet expects to be non-allegorically recognized as the real thing).

  18. January 13, 2014 12:30 pm

    I believe in a literal fulfillment as well. I only used the allegorical interpretation because you chose to use it on Zech 9:9 and Daniel 7. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Now coming back to the topic of Messianic requirements: where is it said in Scripture that they must all be fulfilled at once? Where is it said that the entire fulfillment must take place at one coming only?

    Regarding your view on Daniel 7 and your understanding that Christian Gospel writers misunderstood it when writing that “the Son of Man will come on/with the clouds” in reference to Yeshua:

    Your conclusion does not follow from your premise, because your premise is that the entire expression “Son of Man coming on/with the Clouds” is a reference to Daniel 7. The “Son of Man” section certainly is, but the “coming on/with the clouds” is referring to an eschatological concept found in Isaiah 19:1

    Behold, the Lord rides on a swift cloud ,
    And will come into Egypt;
    The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence,
    And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst.”

    and Nahum 1:3

    “The LORD is slow to anger and great in power;
    the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished.
    His way is in the whirlwind and the storm,
    and clouds are the dust of his feet.”

    Matt 24:30

    “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory”

    When Jesus spoke those words, He knew He was/is the Son of Man, and attributed to Himself something that only G-d is described as having the ability to do, i.e, to come on a ‘swift cloud’ or to have ‘the clouds as the dust of His feet’.

    Daniel’s vision in chapter 7 refers to the triumphant Messiah ascending to the Throne, but this is only after He has first descended.

    John 3:13
    “13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.”

  19. January 13, 2014 12:39 pm

    “John 3:13 “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.”

    Which is quite odd (and really ignorant) of the churchman who wrote the Gospel of John to claim, since in the Hebrew Bible, in 2 Kings 2, we have the prophet Elijah, a mere man, already ascending into heaven, without even having to die first or without being a demigod, long before Jesus was even a twinkling in his parents’ eyes.

    As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. (2 Kings 2)

    Hmm… it’s so hard for me to choose who to believe in this case – the earlier Hebrew scriptures written by Jewish prophets or the later Greek writings of a religion that hated and persecuted my people for two thousand years in the name of their man-god. It’s a tough choice.

  20. January 13, 2014 12:59 pm

    What belies ignorance is reading John 3:13 outside of its context:

    “10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.”

    Elijah did not ascend to the Father, in the manner in which Christ is speaking of above, i.e., an ascending that leads to perfect Oneness with the Father, such that Christ can speak using “We” speak, “We” know, and “We” testify. Elijah does not speak, nor does he testify.

  21. January 13, 2014 1:00 pm

    Where is it said in Scripture that they must all be fulfilled at once? Where is it said that the entire fulfillment must take place at one coming only?

  22. January 13, 2014 1:07 pm

    “Christ can speak using “We” speak, “We” know, and “We” testify. Elijah does not speak, nor does he testify.”

    You and anyone else too can speak “We” and say all sorts of things – it means nothing. It’s mere words and blasphemous nonsense, especially when spoken by a man who is claimed to be a deity by the new religion centered around worshiping him instead of the G-d of Israel.

  23. January 13, 2014 1:11 pm

    You and anyone else too can speak “We” and say all sorts of things – it means nothing. It’s mere words and blasphemous nonsense, especially when spoken by a man who is claimed to be a deity by the new religion centered around worshiping him instead of the G-d of Israel.

    Notwithstanding that you think that it is nonsense, this does not obviate the fact that your prior contention/argument re Elijah is mistaken.

  24. January 13, 2014 1:16 pm

    “your prior contention/argument re Elijah is mistaken.”

    We’ll let the readers be judges of that.

  25. January 15, 2014 5:37 pm

    ‘An example of contemporary Greek writings where γενεα was clearly rendered as “race” or “lineage” in the context’
    JH Thayer lists it as his second sense of the word in his lexicon. I haven’t yet had a chance to check L&S.
    My point about Rambam is that he is a paradigm for many rabbinic Jews, not least on account of the Mishneh Torah and the 13 principles, yet he was evidently profoundly influenced by neo-Platonism and Islam.

  26. January 15, 2014 5:43 pm

    I will be waiting for a non-NT example of the use of that word in the manner you purport (and hopefully, next time, no “proofs” from a lexicon written by a Christian clergyman.)

  27. January 15, 2014 7:20 pm

    I worship Yahweh but I recognize Yahshua as Yahweh’s son. A prophet showed up only when Yahweh’s chosen people turned their backs on Him. Which they clearly did and are doing in this present time.The prophet’s job is to turn their hearts back to Yahweh. In other words they all told the same message: REPENTANCE.

    Yahshua taught this message, and through Him we are able to enter into a new contract. Same requirements as far as obedience to the commands of Yahweh, but the sacrificial laws are fulfilled with the Messiah. Animal sacrifices will not be accepted until the return of the Messiah for the thousand year reign. Once Yahshua returns His sacrifice is no longer available.

    Why do I believe this? In the name of Yahshua Yahweh has given all authority to forgive rebellion. People are healed and distressing spirits are removed. Death is no longer in control. Yahweh gave proof that Yahshua is who He claims to be. I am healed continually through His name. My faith is unshakable. To me this verifies everything. Since I know in the Torah Yahweh healed through His mercy. I trust only His Son is able to do the same.

    Yahshua is the word made into flesh. Knowing the word in prayer for enlightenment has opened my eyes to this fact.

    A person is known by their words and actions. Yahweh is loving, kind, and merciful. Those who know Him display the same characteristics. Yahweh bless…

  28. January 15, 2014 7:24 pm

    “My faith is unshakable. To me this verifies everything.”

    If your faith is self-verifiable, NikkiJR, what conversation is possible? Can one begin to reason with you or even teach you something that may show you to be wrong?

  29. January 15, 2014 7:31 pm

    Yahweh is the teacher and I am His student. Yahweh bless…

  30. January 19, 2014 7:03 pm

    The second sense of γενεα in Liddell & Scott is also ‘race’, these lexicographers drew their meanings from extensive classical and contemporary koine sources, not only the NT, though my abbreviated copy doesn’t cite them a larger copy would.

  31. January 19, 2014 7:44 pm

    I think it’s telling that for all your claims or citations of the olde-time Christian lexicons, all NT translations nearly unanimously do not translate γενεα as race, but as generation. Why would this be if your proposed solution to this blatant instance of false prophecy has merit and should have been obvious to Christian Greek scholars and translators?

    The whole argument for a different meaning of only this one particular instance of this word amounts to little more than special pleading. The majority of Christian commentators seem to recognize this as they do not even attempt to rely on the weak claim of supposed alternative meaning of γενεα but rather propose that that particular generation did see the coming of the Kingdom in some spiritual sense or that Jesus merely meant some future generation that would see the beginning of signs (wars, earthquakes, etc.)

  32. Eoin Mael permalink
    September 25, 2014 6:36 pm

    Focus on Haggai and Zechariah for they prophesied of “Joshua and Zerubbabel” who were SYMBOLIC of two men to come in the future who would fulfill the prophesies, and one of them is the prophet like Moses… [message truncated for excessive length]

  33. September 27, 2014 8:49 pm

    Eoin, I don’t buy Christian “types and shadows” stand-ins for true prophecies.

  34. teodoramarie permalink
    August 25, 2015 3:03 pm

    Sorry but you compare Moses against what mainstream Christianity says about Jesus. Mainstream Christianity presents a false Jesus.

  35. August 25, 2015 3:17 pm

    teodoramarie, what specific stream of Christianity do you represent? I am asking about your specific denomination or church affiliation. I often find that disillusioned Christians who can’t bear the thought of leaving Jesus (and their spiritual dependance on him) behind, in spite of everything they learn that tells them to run the other way, create their own personal “Christianity” out of patchwork of ideas they picked up on various contrarian websites and books.

  36. August 26, 2015 12:35 pm

    teodoramarie
    “Mainstream Christianity presents a false Jesus”

    Just a question, who were the “true” Christian during almost 1000 years that Catholicism ruled. I have heard a lot of people in my messianic congregation, judging the other as “not saved” because he did not believe the same “way”. You must keep the law, you must not keep the law, you must be a calvinist, no, a premillennialist, “Not sorry, that’s from the devil!” KJV, only, JW, Mormons, Seventh day adventist and so forth! So you are saved by your own knowledge or what?

    Anyway, I am almost sure that your description of “Yeshua” fits THE Prophet of Deuteronomy. Why, it fits anybody that you wish! Catholic sees that prophet as the Eurepoean Jesus, Mormon sees it as Joseph Smith, Muslims as Mohammed and you as Yeshua.

    There is no explanation in the Tanakh that explains how that prophet will be, so anybody can claim it will be “his” prophet. But as the Bible say “Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face.” That’s it, the only Bible verse you can rely to, and it say nobody else was great as Moses, not even you “Yeshua” who claimed to have been in the bosom of the father…

    Sorry.

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